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why cant a rich man go to heaven?

let me go read that in context

why do black people still embrace christianity  which is the religion of the slave masters.
 It teaches a doctrine like turn the other cheek so that they can slap your face  on both sides
It also teaches things like " it is easier for a camel to go through the eye  of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven .
 How about " the meek shall inherit the earth"? ... definitely teachings to supress the slaves

and of course by black people, you mean american black people! but isnt there a simple answer to that question?


make the church work to the extent that anything at all worked in the interest of black people in a totally dominates situation and presto you have your answer.


up to a few generations ago almost every prominent black figure in anything at all came out of the church..  any black male of any significance who wasn't lynched was in the church safe as a black man could be in jim crow america.


the dominant educational faculty at schools of higher learning for black men was religion/the ministry. the became preachers who went out and expanded christianity, compounding the bad side of reality.


black people had no option yet religion did lead to the officially organised and controlled civil rights movement, that has resulted in an even worse situation for black people.  we now have a black elite in place created by the status quo, who lead black people up dead ends all the time.


as far as i see its control for one end to the next.  the system knows social evolution, they have exploitations going on all the time, lots of pent up resentment that will lead to revolutionary explosion.


and when they believe such explosions are due to explode they pull off the rebellion themselves by using the levers they had carefully installed all along the way..or those that had taken place naturally.


the liberations of women...the civil rights movements...even the homosexual development....all pre-empted, infiltrated, developed and led to points the system wanted.


now we are having a religious rebellion and the same marks of controlled rebellion are evident.  they do not want to lose god and religion.  that has been too valuable to the system..the most valuable tool of social control they ever had.


 it lasted 2 thousand years and now under threat by scientific advance god is in trouble.. the system is trying to save god by revamping religious doctrine by including the truth... at the end of which however, is still god, the supreme abstraction.


even that black pastor above with all his talk of liberation still has god at the end of his rainbow.  and once you see the idealism, the abstraction of god at the end, you know what you are seeing is reaction, bad business no matter how progressive it sounds.


but for a person like me, I go along with the idealism as far as it is progressive, incorporating the truth..take it as an advance above the past crap and use it to advance full truth, the incorporating of...making the day when we all would be fully operative on the extent of truth available on the day closer, bringing that day to reality as soon as possible

Practice loving all things and everybody, all the time .. Embrace struggle

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the same reactionary abstraction that John Sheldon Spong ends with...'loving abundantly'


what the hell does that mean?


what can it mean but 'turn the other cheek'


who you go love abundantly and why..everybody?


but you dont know everybody!  and everybody contains some of the most hideous, horrible, eggregious humans who ever walked the face of this earth.


will you love hillary clinton abundantly..Barack Obama, John McCLain, Bibi Netanyahu, Hosni Mubarack, Recep Erdogan,Meles Zenawi, Yoweri Musaveni, Jacob Zuma, Van Rumpoy, Sakozi, Stephen Harper....


such people will live no other lives than what they have chosen.


you will have to turn the other cheek with this abundant loving because those for eg.,will not stop killing the people they want to kill... and those people being killed will have to love their killers as they go to their graves? 


that's turning the other cheek man..in spades.


and those on that list will not stop killing because they have a program, a practical one.. that is to maintain a system that controls the world and assures them their wealth. 


and the loving is based on some ridiculous abstract principle that says love abundantly..god..the supreme abstraction.  abstraction..idealism, equals god


people may have a chance to come to feel good about humanity, about their species of life, if there is general democracy and all have something,  a stake in the society as I said before. otherwise its a waste of time.


 love is nonsense!


only fat, well fed men and women talk like that

How this thread about kudos :

Got so fact up ?   :lipsrsealed:

Spong makes sense about hinduism ...

 never bothered to watch the video , cannot have a white man tell me anything about hinduism

maybe Spong hasnt seen Hindus in action on Muslims.
 
is he comparing abstract philosophical religions.....and not how these actually exist?

maybe you are too blind dumb deef and plain stupid to see what muslim does to hindus, i have post many pictures of it... but you turn a blind eye on it... i avoid topics like these but since you brought it up you and i'm dis- agreeing with you opinions, you will require proof right?

 
A Hindu man who was brutally tortured and then murdered by Muslims in Bangladesh

 
The bodies of dead Hindu children lay on the floor of the civil hospital in Gandhinagar
after Islamic militants stormed the Akshardham temple in Gandhinagar (Gujarat). 44 Hindus were killed and another 100 seriously injured
September 24, 2002

still religious!

Who are you to say which religion is right and which is wrong? We all speak from  our hearts not from our minds. People who grew up with Islam teachings defend  their own beliefs despite having some loops and holes. Hindus defend their own  beliefs. Every religion has some things that we don't understand.

But we  have no right to put any religion down. None of us are on that stage of life  where were are one with God. We all lie and do things that are against teachings  of our religion. None of us is pure of heart. But when it comes to religion...we  raise our Flags and get ready to die for it. First chance we get to insult other  in the name ...

look here Kwami..you must prove that the Hindu religion is better, universal, forgiving, loving, protective of all human beings, produces those under its guidance to be free of racism, prejudice of any sort, democratic of nature, standing on the side of the freedom and development of all peoples

Hindus does not punish anyone for leaving it , we believe that god you came from and god you will return to, , we don't go around killing people for converting into a different religion. Hinduism is a slippery religion for Westerners to grasp. It represents limitless depths of profundity, a rich history, and an elaborate theology.